The BNP occasionally seizes upon an issue of the moment - usually immigration or some such - to try and appeal to those of us who are white British. We would never treat you like that. Under a BNP government, you come first. Yes you do. Oh, you're worried about the non-white British? No, we're fine with them [snigger]. It's just those immigrants. We hate them.
I've seen this almost work on a couple of my friends. So I just wanted to link this, just so I don't forget.
"Rape is simply sex (I am talking about 'husband-rape' here)... Women enjoy sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal... To suggest that rape, when conducted without violence, is a serious crime is like suggesting force-feeding a woman chocolate cake is a heinous offence."
That is the sort of stuff that members of the BNP think. These people are racists ("show these ethnics the door?" What the hell was that?) and want non-whites returned to "their lands of ethnic origin". These people know that since they're excluding a large percentage of the population with their policies, it's not within their interests to alienate half their target demographic with such sentiments as the above, but those thoughts are there, within the party. Oh, and Nick? Force-feeding IS a heinous offence. If someone force-fed me anything, even if it was a tasty pudding, they would be guilty of assaulting me. Rape is a crime. Force-feeding is a crime. I'm almost tempted to make a "force-feeding you a knuckle sandwich" joke, but I'll just tell you to fuck off instead. Nick? Fuck off.
So for my future reference: The BNP are racist, sexist, stuck in the past, have absolutely no sense of empathy and must never, ever, ever be allowed within sniffing distance of power. EVER. Thank you.
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What do you think of Islam?
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Do you need a bucket of sand to put your head in,or have you got one? I think you have one.
Hmmm. Either all these comments are by the same "anonymous" and you're sulking because I didn't respond fast enough for your tastes (what do I think of Islam? It's a religion. I have no moral opinions on Islam whatsoever. Why should I?), or you're an exciting new anonymous who thinks the BNP has realistic policies. So you're either sulky or a racist. I hope you're sulky, but in future please don't sulk on my blog.
The BNP don't have a hope in hell of getting into power. So don't worry about that.
They serve as a vehicle for the anger and resentment of much of the population. All that is needed is a sizeable vote for them so as to send the message out to the other parties, the Tories in particular.
It's a vote against a Federal Europe, multiculturism and immigration. Imagine a hung parliament or a weak majority Tory government with the BNP gaining say 10% of the vote. The Tories would need to win those votes and would need to adopt policies that addressed the issues.
Did you look at the link? Islam does not mean peace and is more of a threat than the BNP ever could be. Sulky.
Generally speaking, I don't look at links left by anonymous commenters - one too many experiences with the "gory image" trolls.
I'll be honest with you, I don't want to send the kind of message that voting BNP would send to the Tories or anyone else. The Tories are already planning to crack down on immigration, and whilst I do believe that people living in England should be able to speak English, there's no way I could support the Nazi-like intentions of the BNP. No matter how "angry" or "resentful" I am, I can't support a party that basically doesn't like black people.
As for Islam, I'm against any religion influencing public decisions. I was very cross to discover that so many Muslims want to censor material they personally find offensive, but I don't think that's necessarily worse than Cardinal O'Brien using religious blackmail on Catholic MPs to get them to vote the way he wants them to vote. I'm not going to single out Islam, because the influence of any religion on the state is a threat to democracy.
When Muslims are told about scores of horrendous facts contained in the Quran, Sunnah and the Sharia, they will typical respond as follows:
1. Accuse the person of lying and ignorance. Tell him/her to read "authentic" Muslim websites and texts. Say that critics of Islam are "so-called" experts. Say that once a person "learns" about the "real" Islam, he/she will understand how beautiful and peaceful it is.
2. Accuse the person of racism or Islamophobia (This is one of the best tactics!). Say they are "filled with hate" (this works really well with Liberals!). Restrict your arguments to a specific subject (How Muslims are persecuted and misunderstood). Generalize a lot. Never suggest that a person examine both sides of the issue (that is, compare arguments from anti-Islamic sites with those from Muslims experts). Never refer to the hate and violence Muslims do. Say that the actions of Muslims have nothing to do with Islam.
3. Say that the problem is that Muslims today are not practicing the "Original Islam" of Mohammed and the glorious era of the 'Four Righteous Caliphs' that followed him (Do not mention the hate and violence that Mohammad preached and practiced and do not mention that 3 out of the 4 so-called Righteous Caliphs were murdered by Muslims in a fifty year orgy of conquest, greed, violence and rivalry that ended at battle of Kerbala - called the Ashura - with Muslims fighting Muslims and the heads of Mohammad's grandson and even infant great-grandson and 70 others being carried in bags as trophies by the victorious Muslim army). Tell them that Islam is really peaceful!
4. Say that any verse from the Koran that portrays Islam negatively is "out of context". Tell them it doesn't really mean what it says. Also, insist that any tradition that says that Mohammad did very bad things is "weak" or forged, or that it has no isnad (chain of narration) even if it has a long isnad and Muslims constantly quote from this same source.
5. Tell people that any 'nice' or 'peaceful' (or earlier) verse in the Koran is valid for everywhere and all time. Any 'kill' and 'hate' verse has limited application and can only be understood by an expert or in relation to another verse 56 pages away.
6. Accuse Christianity and other religions as being "just as bad" (mention the Crusades). Say that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Say that Islam is the fastest growing religion on Mars too, and the rest of the universe.
7. Claim that Muslims are unjustly persecuted (never mention 1200 years of jihad against infidels, the treatment of non-Muslims in Islamic societies or current events). Mention the classical era when Islamic societies led the world in science, medicine and philosophy (Do not mention this was 700 years ago and that much of it was based upon ancient Greek works or influenced by the hated Jews living in those countries)
8. Explain that jihad means "inner struggle" (like a diet plan or giving up smoking!) and not "holy war". Tell them that Islam says fighting can only be in self-defense. If they ask about all those raids, explain that Mohammad went on 26 self-defense expeditions, captured a lot of self-defense loot and self-defense slaves and killed a lot of people in self-defense in the early morning and night self-defense attacks. He even let his men rape women in self-defense at Banu-Mustaliq. If they question that last statement, suggest that maybe the women accused Mohammad's men of being 'gay' and they had to prove themselves. (Note: It may be wise to work more on this answer!)
9. Blame all current problems in Islamic societies on (choose one or more...) the Jews, Christians, the Crusades, the USA, Atheism, Israel, Colonialism, Hollywood, Bush, the Pope, Vatican, Capitalism, racism, poverty, sexuality, discrimination, translations, the media, the Neocons, Right-wing radio talk shows, Communism, the Romans, women, Zionists, culture, Imperialism, Islamophobes, stereotypes, fascism, the Cold War, the War on Terror, ignorance, education, lack of education, misguided education, despair, lack of hope, the suffering of the Palestinian people, bad hair, cartoons, teddy bears and Bugs Bunny. Stress that Muslims are innocent victims of circumstances, always. Say the US, Europe and West support brutal, corrupt Arab regimes (Do not mention that all regimes in Muslim Middle East are undemocratic, brutal and corrupt).
10. Say that Islam "protects and honors" women. Say that "Islam has given women all her rights". Point out the immorality in Western culture. Say that most of the people that convert to Islam are women. (Never talk about what the Quran and hadith say about women, except for 4 specific verses and do not mention that Mohammad himself said women are 'deficient in intelligence' and beat his wife). If they talk about the status of Muslim women everywhere, say that it is because Muslims do not follow Islam. Tell them it is "cultural".
11. Say that a small minority of extremists have hijacked Islam, and they are not 'real' Muslims. Explain that just because a person says the shahada (profession of faith), observes the 5 pillars of Islam, goes to the mosque every Friday, has memorized half of the Quran, wears a beard, and is named 'Mohammad' - this does not mean that he is a 'real' Muslim. (Suggest that the terrorist? who knows,? may really be a Scientologist, a Presbyterian, a Rotarian or even a vile Jew pretending to be a Muslim). Oh yes, if Muslims do hate and violence, say that they are being 'used' and 'manipulated' by (see list in #9 of candidates to blame for manipulating innocent Muslims) and anything that Muslims do was caused by the interference of (pick another name from item #9). This is a good time to bring up Uncle Benny and say he was created in a CIA lab (Use the name "Bin Laden" which is what infidels call him).
12. If the person brings up issues relating to words and actions of Mohammad, say that you are offended. Say that we should not apply contemporary standards of morality and conduct to the teachings of the 'eternal' Quran and the actions of Islam's prophet. Say that Mohammad was "a mercy for all mankind". If he/she continues to ask about those deeds, make a few threats. Another possible idea is to ask the person to draw a picture of Mohammad on an old piece of paper, then say you are offended and attack the vile kafir infidel!
13. Use a lot of cute Arabic words to confuse the person. It also makes the Muslim seem smarter and/or an expert on Islam. See tip #2 above.
14. Quote the verse "who kills a single person, it is as if he killed all of mankind" to prove how peaceful Islam really is (Do not mention that the phrase is incomplete and you have omitted the first five words).
15. Once again, remember that Muslims "are the best of people" and Mohammad is a "Mercy for all mankind". Keep thinking this. Never doubt; never question. If there is an issue it must be understood in light of these two sacred and eternal truths. Don't let facts get in the way of feelings. If something appears to be wrong or bad, it can only be a conspiracy or a misunderstanding. There must be an explanation even if it is weird, really weird. The problem cannot be Islam's fault so it must be the work of (insert name of evil non-Muslim group here). Explain that the rules of conduct that Muslims demand for others do not apply to Islam, because it is "special".
16. If all else fails, assume a zombie-like attitude and start saying the Qanoot-e-Naazilah prayer in a low, intense voice (in Arabic!). Hiss a little between lines. Let the infidel know you are more than just a little crazy. If you have a knife take it out and start testing the blade with your thumb. Roll your eyes, foam at the mouth (twitching is good, too!). Stand up suddenly and start yelling "Allah Akhbar". Do this ten times as loud as possible……… You have won the argument!
Added:
17. Dhim·mi (dîm-mî or zîm-mî) - An Islamic term that refers to a subjugated non-Muslim person living in a Muslim society. Second-class status is confirmed by the legal system and dhimmis do not share the rights of their Muslim rulers. (ex. of use: "Hey Jimmy, if you want to be a dhimmi, then you'd better learn how to shimmy.")
18. Dhim·wit (dïm-wît) - A non-Muslim member of a free society that abets the stated cause of Islamic domination with remarkable gullibility. A dhimwit is always quick to extend sympathy to the very enemy that would take away his or her own freedom (or life) if given the opportunity.
19. Muslim Doctrine of Taqiyya (or lying is ok): In the west very few people understand a very important doctrine of Islam called Taqiyya (Taqeya, Taqiya). Until we understand this in the west, we will never be able to deal with the Muslim world properly. Taqiyya roughly translates as lying for the faith. A Muslim may tell any lie when they are threatened. In short, a Muslim can lie as a holy duty to deceive and gain an advantage over the unbeliever. The non-prophet Muhammad sanctioned this when he said; “he who keeps secrets shall soon attain his objectives.
The link is the Geert Wilders film on Islam. I don't like religion,i don't believe all people in all religions are bad,but i do believe Islam is a threat.
I'm still not quite sure why you're responding to a post about the BNP with a load of invective about Islam. And do you honestly know any religious people who respond to someone attacking their religion (whether or not it's a justified attack) with "Really? I didn't know that. I'd better give up my faith, then"? Do you expect someone with a deep faith in God to give it up because people who believe in the same God are killing people?
There are Muslims who are doing horrific things, and the sheer hypocrisy of invoking free speech to demand an end to such free speech drives me mad, but I will not go around insisting that a religion, or religion in general, is inherently good or bad. I don't think it's true and it's certainly not helpful. Since al-Qaeda came to national prominence, Muslims have been getting defensive about their religion because they feel they're being accused of killing people. If you've been going up to Muslims and picking their religion to bits, they're obviously not going to act favourably towards you, and I can't see why you think they'd be open to it. Most people are blind to the faults of their own faith and you're not going to help by throwing sand in their eyes in the hope that it will shock them out of it. If you genuinely feel Islam is a threat, you'd be better off getting behind the cause of someone like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and making sure she doesn't get written off as a nutcase than having a go at me because I don't like the BNP.
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